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A common notion that have been very prevalent for a good period of time is that trying to sustain lag into impact is an important part of hitting the ball far. Recently I attended a symposium where Dr. Aaron Zick offered his double pendulum model of the golf swing and pointed out various GOOD golfers do not always hold onto lag. In fact those that did not naturally sustain lag late into the forward swing hit much poorer shots when trying to sustain lag unnaturally. Even to "speed up the hands" to create lag is not necessarily desirable.
I do think you should have your hands slightly ahead of the golf ball for impact but that's primarily so that you strike the ball cleanly and with a descending blow. Since the ball is usually on a Tee with the driver, having the hands ahead of the ball is not an imperative. Need A Swing Analysis?
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What? Lag, or a forward leaning shaft is almost universally prevelant among low handicaps, I.E. scratch and better. Not a single tour pro has their hands ahead of the ball at impact, and nearly all of them have the hands ahead of the ball with their drivers. Lag doesn't make you hit it farhter, but hanging onto it, I.E, not flipping, is the single most important fundimtnal in golf.
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Just being clear... I'm not against having your hands ahead of the clubhead at impact.... just the idea that you need to sustain the lag to hit the ball further due to angular momentum. Sustain the TORQUE, not the lag. Need A Swing Analysis?
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Everyone will have different amounts of lag at different times of their swing. Even the best players in the world have completely different lag characteristics. Hence, we should try to understand why all of them can do it effectively but so varied.
Torque is the answer.
Torque is simply a force that moves an object rotationally around a fixed axis. In our golf swing we have three monumentally important torques and a few other smaller areas of torque that make up the kinetic sequence.
The three big ones are:
1) The left arm pivoting around the left shoulder.
2) The club shaft pivoting around the left wrist.
3) The rotation of the wrist, or twist. (Used for both speed and clubface alignment)
Now, the key to POWER is in timing the amount of torque you apply to each lever to maximize your distance. The key is to not run out of the final torque at the wrong time.
We have probably all seen the graph of the kinetic sequence in the body, but that same sequence continues on into the arms and lastly the club.
Now, here is the BIG BIG BIG POINT. You must start to apply torque to the next successive lever in the chain before the previous one dies out if you are to maximize each lever. But you must also do it at the rate your muscles are strong enough to do it at!
So those who break the lag early may be doing it because they HAVE to. They have to start applying torque to the club a bit sooner than big strong armed peopled otherwise they will not have applied as much of it as they could by the time impact is reached.
However if they apply it too soon then have no more torque to apply to the final lever before impact is reached. They can decrease speed and loose clubface control.
So focusing on sustaining the torque (continuously applying force) is much preferred over an idea of holding out as long as possible to produce the last torque. You may effectively be decreasing the potential speed you have to deliver simply because you started your application too late for a person of your muscular build.
Oddly enough, Manuel de la Torre bangs it into his students heads to gradually accelerate and never abruptly. Now we have a scientific reason why he was right. Need A Swing Analysis?
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I think that concept of torque and continuously applying force is essential and i've been struggling with it myself until this day.
I often felt that I was more hitting at the ball and rarely through it. The key for me is to slow down my pivot in the early downswing and focusing more on placing my club and arms on the right track : I always keep in mind the image of ben hogan in his 5 lessons book when he talks about shifting the base of the plane line to the right in the downswing. when I get to the delivery position my left hip being already cleared and the club being on the right track I then am able to accelerate my pivot (shoulder turn) using big muscles and feel that the clubhead reaches full speed after impact: compression is much better and it "feels" easyer to square the clubface. When my pivot starts too fast in the early downswing(fireing the lower body) I then struggle to square the clubface: pivot stalling, right elbow straightening long before impact, right hand has to roll over the left to square the clubface ending in a less powerful and much more hazardous shot.
Timing is hard and that's what makes the golf swing so complicated in my opinion.
Great post, I have to say you have a great hability to express complex matters into simple images and clear words.
Matt.
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Ringer wrote:
Torque is simply a force that moves an object rotationally around a fixed axis. In our golf swing we have three monumentally important torques and a few other smaller areas of torque that make up the kinetic sequence.
The three big ones are:
1) The left arm pivoting around the left shoulder.
2) The club shaft pivoting around the left wrist.
3) The rotation of the wrist, or twist. (Used for both speed and clubface alignment)
1) The left arm pivoting around the left shoulder. ACCUMULATOR #4
2) The club shaft pivoting around the left wrist. ACCUMULATOR #2
3) The rotation of the wrist, or twist. (Used for both speed and clubface alignment) ACCUMULATOR #3
This stuff has already been written about in a book first published in 1969 titled The Golfing Machine. You guys rehash it 41 years later and think you're on to some new ground breaking golf swing discovery. Don't even get me started on the "D Plane". That was first written about 20 years ago and now it's being thrown around as the latest earth shaking golf discovery.
David Laville G.S.E.M. The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
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gmatt wrote:
I often felt that I was more hitting at the ball and rarely through it. The key for me is to slow down my pivot in the early downswing and focusing more on placing my club and arms on the right track : I always keep in mind the image of ben hogan in his 5 lessons book when he talks about shifting the base of the plane line to the right in the downswing. when I get to the delivery position my left hip being already cleared and the club being on the right track I then am able to accelerate my pivot (shoulder turn) using big muscles and feel that the clubhead reaches full speed after impact: compression is much better and it "feels" easyer to square the clubface. When my pivot starts too fast in the early downswing(fireing the lower body) I then struggle to square the clubface: pivot stalling, right elbow straightening long before impact, right hand has to roll over the left to square the clubface ending in a less powerful and much more hazardous shot.
Your problem isn't starting your pivot too fast as a result of firing the lower body. You're problem is a lack of hip action which leads to over acceleration and being out of sequence. How did I come to this conclusion? Let's take a look at what you say;
1) When you get to the delivery position you are able to accelerate your shoulder turn with big muscles. 2) When you fire the lower body your pivot stalls.
These are symptoms of a lack of hip action. Your hip action is only working to impact where they are square to the ball. I see this all the time. This is why your pivot is stalling and you accelerate your shoulder turn with your big muscles. They have to replace the work your hips are supposed to be doing. The hips must continue to turn all the way to the finish. In fact your hips should be turned as far towards the target as possible at impact. Your hip turn should drag down your shoulders which in turn drags down your left arm till it's at least 45 degrees past impact. The pivot train drags down the left arm past impact. If the lower body stops prematurely the upper body takes over and you are out of sequence, David Laville G.S.E.M. The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
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