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Generating Lag Options
Duffer
Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2008 8:52:07 PM

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Can someone please tell me how I can create lag?

I understand the concept but I cannot seem to do it and instead I cast.

Is there a mental trick or a training aide that I can employ?

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Keiko
Posted: Sunday, April 06, 2008 6:16:39 PM

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Lag is created by having the hands ahead coming into impact, the left arm almost straight, the left wrist turning down and the right wrist bent back.
I like the drill of coming into impact with the butt end of the club pointing down the ball to target line. This always gives me an ingrained feeling that produces lag for me.
I would suggest rather than me or others trying to put it into words, that you google it and read various opinions.
Duffer
Posted: Monday, April 07, 2008 3:57:59 PM

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Hey Thanks I will try the butt of the club pointing down trick.. and I will look up generating lag on the web.

I appreciate teh tips.

If anyone has any other tips I would appreciate it as well.
rick
Posted: Monday, April 07, 2008 7:33:42 PM

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Duffer wrote:
Hey Thanks I will try the butt of the club pointing down trick.. and I will look up generating lag on the web.

I appreciate teh tips.

If anyone has any other tips I would appreciate it as well.


I also suffer from this, and what I have tried doing is consciously keeping my wrist cocked until the last second and then releasing.

Probably not the best description but I feel that it has helped.
Keiko
Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:15:10 AM

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Over the years, I have tried the keeping the wrists hinged until the last second but it can results in either flipping or blading if it is not timed just right.
One thing will help also, keep your head centered over the ball with irons and behind the ball with driver, throughout your swing. What this does is promote a coiling along with wrist hinge. Wrist hinge promotes lag, its the hinging and unhinging timing that you want to work on.
By delaying the release deep into the downswing-preimpact-having the right elbow at your right pocket or a little forward of that at impact, lag will be created.
Mr_Flashy
Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:13:23 PM

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I had an instructor once tell me to try to get the "whooosh" sound at the bottom of your swing.


If the whoosh starts near your hips then you are releasing too early.

Good Luck
Avid Golfer
Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:01:25 PM

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rick wrote:


I also suffer from this, and what I have tried doing is consciously keeping my wrist cocked until the last second and then releasing.

Probably not the best description but I feel that it has helped.


If you approach the ball from a shallow angle (club dropping behind the body) the right wrist will stay hinged, and conscious thought will not be required. To see examples of what I'm talking about look at Stuart Appleby and Retief Goosen from down the target line when their hands reach hip high:
Appleby:
http://www.golftoday.co.uk/proshop/features/images/stuart_appleby_swing_2.jpg
Goosen:
http://www.golftoday.co.uk/proshop/features/images/retief_goosen_swing_2.jpg
Keiko
Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:58:11 PM

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Avid gave us two good examples of my post advice, ie. having the right elbow dropping down to right pocket/hip and hitting from inside out. This creates lag.

Avid Golfer wrote:
rick wrote:


I also suffer from this, and what I have tried doing is consciously keeping my wrist cocked until the last second and then releasing.

Probably not the best description but I feel that it has helped.


If you approach the ball from a shallow angle (club dropping behind the body) the right wrist will stay hinged, and conscious thought will not be required. To see examples of what I'm talking about look at Stuart Appleby and Retief Goosen from down the target line when their hands reach hip high:
Appleby:
http://www.golftoday.co.uk/proshop/features/images/stuart_appleby_swing_2.jpg
Goosen:
http://www.golftoday.co.uk/proshop/features/images/retief_goosen_swing_2.jpg
Golfdelsur
Posted: Friday, April 11, 2008 5:27:56 AM

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Could not seem to generate new subject topic

I need some help or advice on how to keep my score going ?

I normally play the front 9 in 1 or 2 over or par but for some reason my score on the back 9 in 6/7 over this happens on different courses and almost every time I play, especially in competition strokes just seem to slip away. My Handicap is 5
Avid Golfer
Posted: Friday, April 11, 2008 6:31:49 PM

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Golfdelsur wrote:
Could not seem to generate new subject topic

I need some help or advice on how to keep my score going ?

I normally play the front 9 in 1 or 2 over or par but for some reason my score on the back 9 in 6/7 over this happens on different courses and almost every time I play, especially in competition strokes just seem to slip away. My Handicap is 5


Perhaps Rick can move it into a new topic for you ;).

I suspect your problem could be related to one of three things: physical, chemical, or mental. If you're not physically fit your body could be tired by the time you get to the back nine (for example your legs could be tired and no longer supporting your swing). If your body isn't at a stable engery level (becase of what you ate/drank or didn't eat/drink during your round) your body and/or mind may not function as efficently as it did earlier in the round. Finally it could be mental in that you don't trust yourself to shoot a low score.

Those are a few posibilities for your back nine scoring troubles.
Golfdelsur
Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2008 11:31:58 AM

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Thank you for your help, I seem to drop the strokes around hole11-12 but pick up again 16-18 think its a mental thing about going low
BoMccoury
Posted: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:26:19 PM

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I also have a question about lag too. When i try to hold my angle as long as possible i seem to hit the ball off to the right a bunch like a block. However if i start my arms first at the beginning of my downswing and it feels like im casting my wrist earlier in the swing i hit a draw. Thats the best as i can describe it. thanks if you can help me out it would be appreciated.
pgacarp926
Posted: Saturday, May 10, 2008 11:54:32 PM

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there are unfortunately many many things required to create lag - assuming you have a correct grip body posture setup and a good top position - you have to create body motion in sequential order of hip turn, tip tilt, shoulder turn, shoulder tilt in the downswing before it can be created - as you learn to do this it can be the most devestating thing to hitting a ball because the timing is so hard and has to be learned - here is a way to feel it however - if you go to the top of the swing and keep your left arm compressed to your left chest and turn toward the target literally leaving the arms in position until the shaft gets to a point where the butt of the club points to the target you will feel what lag is like - its very hard to explain through words - but its as if you leave the arms behind and use body motion to get to the ball - the best training aid you can use is the swing guide which helps to understand hinge and lag
Richie3Jack
Posted: Sunday, May 11, 2008 1:01:42 AM

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Lag is generally created by having the proper sequence in the downswing and proper rotation of the hips. The proper sequence of the downsing goes

1. Left knee moves towards the target.
2. Hips start to rotate (not slide towards the target)
3. Shoulders start to rotate.
4. Hands start to drop.
5. Club starts to drop.

The problem is with most amateurs who struggle with lag is that they'll go out of sequence. They'll do something like #4 at the same time as #3 and not do #1 and #2. That kills lag. Or you have somebody that has decent sequence, but they slide the hips and they can't rotate properly on the downswing and the club is pretty much forced to flip thru the impact zone.

I suggest working on the sequence first and then concentrate on the hip rotation second because the hip rotation takes awhile to learn, consisting of acquiring the proper flexibility in the hips first.




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Richie3Jack
Posted: Sunday, May 11, 2008 1:09:04 AM

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BoMccoury wrote:
I also have a question about lag too. When i try to hold my angle as long as possible i seem to hit the ball off to the right a bunch like a block. However if i start my arms first at the beginning of my downswing and it feels like im casting my wrist earlier in the swing i hit a draw. Thats the best as i can describe it. thanks if you can help me out it would be appreciated.


That's because you slide the hips on the downswing too much instead of rotating them. When you slide the hips, this makes it hard to rotate them properly at impact. So what happens from the front angle view is the spine gets tilted backwards and when that happens at impact, it opens up the clubface. For instance, take your normal address position with a club in your hand. Now, tilt your spine backwards about 25 degrees. When you do that, your club face opens.

That's unless you use your hands to square up the club face. So when you start the downswing with the hands, you're doing exactly that.

You want that belt buckle facing the target at impact largely because of this. I tell people that think of what you do with pitch/chip shots. On those shots you start with an open stance. Why? Because it "pre-rotates" the hips for you. In those swings you don't have enough time to rotate your hips so the belt buckle is facing the target at impact. So instead you open the stance so that the hips are where they need to be at impact.

Ever watch high handicappers chip and pitch? They usually have a square stance with their chips and pitch shots and what happens is that their hands have to flip thru the ball at impact because if they don't, they'll block everything to the right. It's the same with somebody who takes a normal golf swing and doesn't rotate their hips enough. They'll block the shot if they don't flip thru it with their hands.



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