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Well ... my first video was last year ... http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=4579It was clear I had lots of significant areas to improve on. Today at the range I worked on a number of things. From my SwingAcademy analyses and from a buddy of mine ... I've been trying to implement these tips. Quote:Dietz: it looks to me that your hands are rolling and your hinging the left and right in the wrong sequence.
Dietz: Keep the clubhead square to the arc by keeping the right hand on top of the clubshaft. yours is behind it here.
LarryBud: At setup, I think you're a bit too upright. Couple of clues, but I maybe be wrong. The clubshaft generally should be pointed at your belt buckle, and in your case, it's a bit higher. I
LarryBud: Take your setup, and now cock your wrists so that the clubshaft pivots up in front of you. Basically as if you had a hammer in your hands and you were hamming a nail into the ball.
Jones Need more wrist hinge !
Jones Stop rolling your wrists!
Today I worked on: a more upright swing plane, get rid of that early wrist roll get my hands up higher (not sure if I needed this) dropping my hands into the slot (no over the top, casting) gripping either in a normal position on the grip or a bit choked down. Setup: butt of the club pointing to the belt. Thanks LarryBud - I have been mistakenly adjusting the club so the sole of the club is sitting nicely on the ground (no toe up, toe down). This was not a good position for me for a few reasons: (1) I'm not that tall (say 5'8"), and my clubs are regulation length, (2) I hold the clubs at the very end on the shaft (making the club longer). When the club sits nicely on the ground, I think my hands are too high. Once the hands are too high, it sets me up with a flatter swing plane and my spine angle is too upright. Today, by gripping down and purposely setting up with the butt of the club at my belt, I felt in a better position to have a more upright (more on plane) swing. It felt great. Overall a great training session. - Things of note: Wow, a wrist cock add distance ! - I think it was taking some work to drop my hands down in the slot (avoiding casting) on the downswing. - Overall my swing felt less complicated. I certainly had fewer pull hooks ! - I think that I could gain from some strength training - the powerful golf swing is easier to do with b - when I get tired or "tight" I don't rotate my shoulders and if I don't rotate my shoulders I am much more likely to pull hook. Need to do a new video to see what my "New Swing thoughts and plans" looks like on tape. I told some people at the range about SwingAcademy ! I'm like a damn spokesperson .. haha .. funny because I'm pretty against people hawking their wares. Looking forward to a great season on SwingAcademy and on the course.
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Went to the range today. Didn't bring my videocamera but my swing certainly felt great. I am looking forward to seeing what the new swing looks like on video. A few swings felt super awesome. I keep wondering if those are the swings that look best on the video. I am having a hard time NOT casting. I certainly got a bit too technical at times and when I said ... ok, lets just hit this one, they seemed to go better ! When I do cast, I really pull hook.
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You still using S&T?
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Nope. I guess that makes my Nick wrong :)
It worked with my old flat Swing Plane.
Especially with the short irons.
But when I saw myself on Video in October I realized I needed change !
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Do you have a recent video up?
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Nope. This weekend I hope.
The scary thing is I am actually playing tomorrow.
Just throwing myself in the fire I guess !
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stackandtilt wrote:Nope. This weekend I hope.
The scary thing is I am actually playing tomorrow.
Just throwing myself in the fire I guess !
Good luck tomorrow. What I do is, when noone is looking, kick the ball towards the hole a few yards.. Helps with the rust.
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Yes, I'll make sure I bring the Foot Wedge. :)
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Shot 47-44.
Left every putt short on the Winterish Greens.
I had a hard time maintaining the new swing.
It's so easy to fall back to old habits.
It is going to take more practice to avoid the over the top move.
It is so ingrained.
Did go to the Range Yesterday.
I also practiced in front of a mirror before going to the range. It really helped alot.
Even though I felt my swing plane was much more upright, it *still* wasn't enough !
The mirror showed that quite quickly.
I'll have to think up / find some drills to practice avoiding the over the top move.
I think just making sure that my club is not over the top on the downswing when my club is parallel to the ground is the key.
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stackandtilt wrote:Nope. I guess that makes my Nick wrong :)
It worked with my old flat Swing Plane.
Especially with the short irons.
But when I saw myself on Video in October I realized I needed change !
Sorry to hear that you stopped the SnT. I would look at the positives of SnT, and see if you can take bits an pieces of the pattern and incorporate them into what your doing now. I have to say that there are some VERY good things that can come of it. just my $.02
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dietz wrote:Sorry to hear that you stopped the SnT. I would look at the positives of SnT, and see if you can take bits an pieces of the pattern and incorporate them into what your doing now. I have to say that there are some VERY good things that can come of it. I think I learned a few things from SnT: (1) Lateral moves in the golf swing add little and are a major source of variability. Less = More. (2) "Shifting your weight" to the back foot doesn't really add much distance. (3) There are lots of ways to hit the golf ball. 43-45. Golds, 6700 yards. Learned: (1) My chipping is horrid. No Confidence. Must must practice. (2) 4 beers doesn't make me golf better. (3) The harder I swing at the ball, the more I am likely to come over the top, unless I concentrate on getting into a good P6 position.  A good drill to stop going over the top is to move from P4 to P6 over and over again.
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Overall my swing plane and wrist cocking has improved alot over last year's vid. Here's the vid. http://www.swingacademy.com/videoPlayer.aspx?id=6512Things I am going to look at for next trip to the range. Try keeping my left arm straight, see how it feels. Try to tone down the body motion. Try to get to the 1/2 way back position without using the hands much. Try cocking the wrists earlier in the swing. On the Face On view: try to shorten up the swing. Avoid my hands going past my head on that view. More compact/shorter swing needed.
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You look far too stiff at the setup, nor do you have enough tilt over the ball. Your arms are stretched away from you instead of nice and relaxed. Stiffer arms? No.. Please don't. RELAX. Let them follow the club. Lastly, maintain your tilt. You pull away from the ball as you swing forward. Instead try to feel like you are "peeking" under the ball.
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All so true ! I really shouldn't have posted this "try to kill it" swing but all these probably apply to my usual swing. One thing that was bothering me was how "Good Swings" have the right forearm so vertical. I felt it might be a flexibility thing. But when I looked at most good golfers, their hands were MUCH higher than mine. Of course, with your hands higher, it is easy to keep the right forearm vertical. I went to the range today a low and behold .... getting my hands higher was very powerful. I Loved it. This is what I mean:  My "Low hands" at P4 (top of swing) was another remnant of my old roll over my wrist, too flat a plane swing.
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Note - I wonder if I have some tilt from the target at address ?
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This video was an experimental session. Here were my thoughts after the range session. My goal here was to (1) try to get my hands ahead of the ball at impact and NOT be above the swing plane.
My main problem is pulling shots with longer clubs or pull hooking the driver.
Here were my range thoughts with this swing:
By keeping my hands low at address and gripping down ... pulling straight back with my right hand .. and then starting a nice wrist cock ... at around the 1/2 way point ... I am able to get on plane and hit the inside 1/4 of the ball .. I can hit it straight and a mile !
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Here is RandomHero's review ...
Setup P1
1) Pick your chin up2) Flatten that back3) Need more forward tilt4) Arms are stretched out for sure. 1-3 will help that. Let the arms hang naturally.
P2 - shaft parallel.
Takeaway needs a lot of work....1) Grip is probably too strong. Your takeaway had your right palm facing the sky. There's no hinge. Shaft needs to work UP more.2) Your right hip is moving the instant you start your backswing. Over rotation of the right hip is a big problem in most golf swings. It allows the arms, hands and clubhead to get inside WAY too soon, and that is happening in your golf swing.3) As the right hip over rotates, the right knee is going to straighten, killing all your coil.
P3 - 1/2 Back
Shaft really laid off and flat. Shoulders and hips have rotated almost the same, so no separation. Right hand is WAY under the club here.You got a "false hinge" as I call it. You don't even hinge the club UP on plane.So, you got one choice from this position......
Top of Swing - That choice....
You lift the club to the top, lean towards the target, let the right elbow flare and get behind you. Almost an impossible position to recover from.Your shoulders stopped rotating a long time ago... You must stop the backswing once the shoulders stop rotating. That means hands MUCH lower, much less arm swing.Look at how straight your right leg is. Look at how much your hips have rotated.
P6 - Impact - I got to say....
You do a really damn good job getting to this impact position, but it has to be A LOT of work and stress on the body.Look at the HUGE differences in your body position from the TOP of your backswing to IMPACT. All that squatting, spine angle change, thrusting....
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Setup P1
1) Pick your chin up
2) Flatten that back
- I don't know if there is a way to get a flatter back or how it will help. Maybe if my Upper body strength was better, my shoulders wouldn't be so hunched ? Should I try to make my back flatter ? I think I should by reading this site. Does it look like my butt doesn't stick out enough ?
3) Need more forward tilt
- I really want this but with the Driver it just seems too long for me or something. Just after this video I took 1 inch off my driver. It's 44 inches now. I feel my setup is much better now. I like shorter clubs so I can have more forward tilt and get the feeling of my hands on a steep plane. It is so much easier to hit the ball straight with a steep (non-flat) swing plane .4) Arms are (too) stretched out for sure. 1-3 will help that. Let the arms hang naturally.
- I read that the hands should be under the chin with the driver.
P2 - shaft parallel.
Takeaway needs a lot of work....1) Grip is probably too strong. Your takeaway had your right palm facing the sky.
- Good pickup (especially with no Face on Video! I feel much better with a more neutral right hand. I felt the club path change for the better with just this change.
2) Your right hip is moving the instant you start your backswing.
- I think I do this to try to get the club back to P2 without using my hands/arms (all hips and body).
- It certainly isn't working. Thanks for picking that up.
Over rotation of the right hip is a big problem in most golf swings. It allows the arms, hands and clubhead to get inside WAY too soon, and that is happening in your golf swing.3) As the right hip over rotates, the right knee is going to straighten, killing all your coil.
Q: Any tips on Swing Thoughts to get the club to P2 ?
Louis Oosthuizen Driver DL Slow Motion US Open 2010
[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzD3DcnJF1I[/YouTube]
I am going to take the weekend to retool. Never mind golf. I need practice.
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I did some swings in the Parking Lot last night with a weaker right hand.
It felt awesome.
The hinge was better and more natural.
A more upright plane was easy, even with the driver.
The ironic part is that I like a nice neutral right hand feeling on the club.
It feels good. I only got away from it because I concentrate so much on keep the left hand neutral.
Well, low and behold, when the club it at P2, I kept seeing too many knuckles on the left hand.
I assumed it was a left hand problem .... OH NO ! It was the right hand !!!!!
It seems so obvious now.
And here I rant to everyone about their grip. hehe.
Actually I am glad I do .... the grip is so important.
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